1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:03,320 all right I'm at the MUFON symposium I'm 2 00:00:07,730 --> 00:00:05,730 with Tony ng Ola and Ben moss how you 3 00:00:10,339 --> 00:00:07,740 guys doing I'm good okay 4 00:00:11,540 --> 00:00:10,349 can you fill us in for the person that 5 00:00:13,970 --> 00:00:11,550 hasn't heard you before 6 00:00:16,129 --> 00:00:13,980 give us your background for those who do 7 00:00:19,580 --> 00:00:16,139 not know I'm Tony and I'm the assistant 8 00:00:21,740 --> 00:00:19,590 State Director for MUFON Virginia I've 9 00:00:26,230 --> 00:00:21,750 been involved with MUFON for since the 10 00:00:31,490 --> 00:00:26,240 90s so feeling the age coming up yeah 11 00:00:33,889 --> 00:00:31,500 and Tony I mean not Ben I'm Ben Moss I'm 12 00:00:36,590 --> 00:00:33,899 chief field investigator MUFON Virginia 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:36,600 Ben and move on for over 20 years now 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:39,690 and and got interested after watching a 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:41,850 Walter Cronkite special with my dad as a 16 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:43,410 kid and been hooked ever since 17 00:00:47,090 --> 00:00:45,930 was that the Walter Cronkite when he 18 00:00:49,369 --> 00:00:47,100 interviewed I'm trying to think who it 19 00:00:52,279 --> 00:00:49,379 was he interviewed it was a long 20 00:00:54,170 --> 00:00:52,289 interview now that was Dan Rather that 21 00:00:56,750 --> 00:00:54,180 did the download pijo interview yeah I 22 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:56,760 know yeah this was a Dan they kind of 23 00:01:00,020 --> 00:00:58,410 debunk some things but they film some 24 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:00,030 interesting things it was it was I 25 00:01:02,569 --> 00:01:01,170 didn't know it could be better because I 26 00:01:04,820 --> 00:01:02,579 was a kid but there was kind of a 27 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:04,830 debunking show but it had the opposite 28 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:06,510 effect on me I got really interested in 29 00:01:10,850 --> 00:01:08,310 it that's great electing hear stories 30 00:01:13,370 --> 00:01:10,860 like that yeah the bunkers lose in that 31 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:13,380 one that's right have either one of you 32 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:15,810 guys had your own personal sighting UFO 33 00:01:23,090 --> 00:01:20,250 sighting well I've seen a couple of 34 00:01:25,070 --> 00:01:23,100 things I saw in college maybe a 35 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:25,080 prototype for cruise missile I saw a 36 00:01:29,899 --> 00:01:26,810 missile coming falling out of the sky 37 00:01:31,819 --> 00:01:29,909 with all kinds of flaps on it making 38 00:01:33,859 --> 00:01:31,829 those sound is whistling and then it 39 00:01:36,649 --> 00:01:33,869 fired up and gained altitude like it was 40 00:01:41,060 --> 00:01:36,659 coming down into the mountains I saw two 41 00:01:42,889 --> 00:01:41,070 shooting stars and but in Key West 42 00:01:45,499 --> 00:01:42,899 Florida but they made right angle turns 43 00:01:47,170 --> 00:01:45,509 at you know way up in the atmosphere so 44 00:01:50,420 --> 00:01:47,180 that was interesting and then I saw in 45 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:50,430 Lynchburg I saw two purple plasma balls 46 00:01:54,590 --> 00:01:52,890 during a thunderstorm which could or 47 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:54,600 could not it may not have been ball 48 00:01:58,310 --> 00:01:56,490 lightning but very very strange 49 00:01:59,830 --> 00:01:58,320 whooshing sound followed these purple 50 00:02:02,060 --> 00:01:59,840 tracks in the sky one after the other 51 00:02:04,249 --> 00:02:02,070 witness by another person so that was 52 00:02:06,530 --> 00:02:04,259 the most unusual thing so how about you 53 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:06,540 Tony for me I think the most unusual 54 00:02:11,150 --> 00:02:08,610 thing that I saw in photographed was 55 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:11,160 when Ben and I were investigating Sakura 56 00:02:18,270 --> 00:02:11,710 the first 57 00:02:20,820 --> 00:02:18,280 down there and that was in 2016 I think 58 00:02:24,030 --> 00:02:20,830 right yeah and so a Ben was driving and 59 00:02:25,770 --> 00:02:24,040 I was at the camera and I had the button 60 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:25,780 on the window ready to drop if I saw 61 00:02:30,090 --> 00:02:28,210 anything we're just talking and we 62 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:30,100 thought we'll just get a feeling for 63 00:02:33,630 --> 00:02:31,750 this you know a friend of ours told us 64 00:02:36,570 --> 00:02:33,640 that if you feel it's the right time of 65 00:02:40,140 --> 00:02:36,580 the day you just stay calm and you just 66 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:40,150 be open-minded you might get a tinkle or 67 00:02:43,230 --> 00:02:41,530 something you know a little twinkle or 68 00:02:43,470 --> 00:02:43,240 something thinking that doesn't sound 69 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:43,480 right 70 00:02:51,870 --> 00:02:50,410 I mean yeah so anyways we were we were 71 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:51,880 having a conversation Mitch senator said 72 00:02:55,230 --> 00:02:53,710 I don't know what it is drop the window 73 00:02:57,420 --> 00:02:55,240 pull the camera out started shooting 74 00:02:58,950 --> 00:02:57,430 right by the mountains I go I don't know 75 00:03:00,270 --> 00:02:58,960 what it was willed to check later and 76 00:03:01,860 --> 00:03:00,280 see if it was something that happened 77 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:01,870 maybe a couple times and then the most 78 00:03:05,220 --> 00:03:03,310 important time was when Ben says 79 00:03:06,570 --> 00:03:05,230 something like I don't know why but 80 00:03:08,940 --> 00:03:06,580 something that took to the rock upper 81 00:03:10,890 --> 00:03:08,950 right you know I see yeah yeah yeah roll 82 00:03:12,450 --> 00:03:10,900 window down started shooting saw some 83 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:12,460 light flashes wasn't quite sure what it 84 00:03:17,580 --> 00:03:15,310 was later on that that series of 85 00:03:19,860 --> 00:03:17,590 photographs looked like plasma balls 86 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:19,870 moving through the clouds and we 87 00:03:24,090 --> 00:03:21,850 measured the distance between the shots 88 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:24,100 and you know how fast we were moving 89 00:03:27,950 --> 00:03:26,650 relative to it and it was making some 90 00:03:30,750 --> 00:03:27,960 you know pretty pretty interesting 91 00:03:32,690 --> 00:03:30,760 maneuvers and changes in the amount of 92 00:03:35,190 --> 00:03:32,700 time that I was snapping each photograph 93 00:03:37,230 --> 00:03:35,200 the first set of photographs reveals 94 00:03:39,750 --> 00:03:37,240 something that looks like a cigar shaped 95 00:03:40,950 --> 00:03:39,760 disc shaped something at an angle but 96 00:03:43,710 --> 00:03:40,960 we're still not really sure what that is 97 00:03:45,390 --> 00:03:43,720 it seems to you have something energy 98 00:03:47,700 --> 00:03:45,400 kind of surrounding it but it was 99 00:03:48,870 --> 00:03:47,710 interesting then there's there's a lot 100 00:03:50,610 --> 00:03:48,880 of things that we've seen that I just 101 00:03:52,590 --> 00:03:50,620 don't even make note of because unless I 102 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:52,600 have enough evidence I don't feel like 103 00:03:57,150 --> 00:03:55,450 talking about it yeah I understand I 104 00:03:59,760 --> 00:03:57,160 have talked about my sighting that I had 105 00:04:02,090 --> 00:03:59,770 my single sighting then I saw something 106 00:04:03,890 --> 00:04:02,100 else and I said you know 107 00:04:06,950 --> 00:04:03,900 talk about this because I just don't I 108 00:04:09,350 --> 00:04:06,960 just didn't think I thought I was 109 00:04:12,230 --> 00:04:09,360 looking at this the International Space 110 00:04:15,740 --> 00:04:12,240 Station there and then I said and then 111 00:04:18,229 --> 00:04:15,750 it turned and so you know like you said 112 00:04:19,460 --> 00:04:18,239 it didn't right-angle turn but I just I 113 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:19,470 just don't know you know it could have 114 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:21,750 been Abner spheric or something I really 115 00:04:25,070 --> 00:04:23,610 don't know right it was something he was 116 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:25,080 bigger than a satellite whatever it was 117 00:04:31,220 --> 00:04:28,890 but so there are a lot of icy white you 118 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:31,230 know it's called a UFO because there's a 119 00:04:33,950 --> 00:04:32,850 lot of things that are just gonna know 120 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:33,960 they are you don't know what they are 121 00:04:40,610 --> 00:04:38,850 doesn't mean that it's alien so that's 122 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:40,620 the one thing that I think those who are 123 00:04:48,290 --> 00:04:43,680 not familiar with ufology is that they 124 00:04:50,780 --> 00:04:48,300 tend to hear UFO as a coined term to 125 00:04:51,350 --> 00:04:50,790 reference extraterrestrials and we're 126 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:51,360 trying 127 00:04:55,100 --> 00:04:53,310 everybody loves UFOs so much you're 128 00:04:56,450 --> 00:04:55,110 trying to like reverse the taint you 129 00:04:57,980 --> 00:04:56,460 know I'm kind of take it back and not 130 00:05:00,080 --> 00:04:57,990 let it go and change it all over again 131 00:05:01,580 --> 00:05:00,090 you know you've heard people mention all 132 00:05:03,530 --> 00:05:01,590 kinds of different acronyms to refer to 133 00:05:05,270 --> 00:05:03,540 the same thing all these things 134 00:05:07,130 --> 00:05:05,280 everybody loves us but let's just bring 135 00:05:09,770 --> 00:05:07,140 it back you know let's hold on to this 136 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:09,780 one there you go there you go what do 137 00:05:16,550 --> 00:05:13,050 you think but I liked UFA because we ran 138 00:05:19,430 --> 00:05:16,560 into a UFA in Socorro unidentified 139 00:05:20,660 --> 00:05:19,440 flying animal I was standing there I'll 140 00:05:22,010 --> 00:05:20,670 never forget this I told him I was 141 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:22,020 staying in there and I was panning 142 00:05:27,230 --> 00:05:24,000 around right at ground zero with a craft 143 00:05:30,770 --> 00:05:27,240 landing 64 and this bird or something 144 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:30,780 this warbling sound and it was going 145 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:32,910 parallel the ground it went was one of 146 00:05:36,350 --> 00:05:34,650 these where it just wasn't by me really 147 00:05:38,330 --> 00:05:36,360 quick and I could see like a head and a 148 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:38,340 tail but it was some kind of creature 149 00:05:40,370 --> 00:05:39,900 and I've never seen anything move that 150 00:05:42,140 --> 00:05:40,380 fast 151 00:05:45,650 --> 00:05:42,150 past me before so it's gonna have a new 152 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:45,660 show everyone well that thing would have 153 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:47,370 been hit me would have impaled itself 154 00:05:53,630 --> 00:05:49,890 and me pretty badly as a hummingbird 155 00:05:56,780 --> 00:05:53,640 with a big beak yeah so let's talk a 156 00:05:58,930 --> 00:05:56,790 little bit about we were chatting 157 00:06:01,780 --> 00:05:58,940 briefly ahead of time 158 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:01,790 and and I'm getting the impression that 159 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:04,850 you don't think this article that came 160 00:06:11,980 --> 00:06:08,090 out December 16 you know that made a lot 161 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:11,990 of you totally went viral and then all 162 00:06:18,610 --> 00:06:16,010 the news shows about it after that and 163 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:18,620 then this whole thing you don't seem 164 00:06:22,390 --> 00:06:21,170 like you're are you not really impressed 165 00:06:25,210 --> 00:06:22,400 what's going on 166 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:25,220 well the Pentagon release every time 167 00:06:29,830 --> 00:06:28,010 this happens they say how it's never 168 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:29,840 happened before and it's kind of like 169 00:06:33,820 --> 00:06:31,550 when people say they needed to do the 170 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:33,830 scientific study UFOs and it's been done 171 00:06:38,110 --> 00:06:35,450 for 40 years 172 00:06:39,790 --> 00:06:38,120 Truman back in the day when they asked 173 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:39,800 him before a joint chief of staff's 174 00:06:43,210 --> 00:06:41,090 meeting what are you going to talk about 175 00:06:44,290 --> 00:06:43,220 it you know talk about UFOs he go that's 176 00:06:46,660 --> 00:06:44,300 the first thing we're gonna talk about 177 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:46,670 we talk about it every time then in the 178 00:06:51,970 --> 00:06:49,610 60s and 70s you had Donald Kehoe coming 179 00:06:53,770 --> 00:06:51,980 out talking about a UFO working group 180 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:53,780 then you had Howard blooms book out 181 00:06:58,450 --> 00:06:56,090 there he found a UFO working group in 182 00:07:00,220 --> 00:06:58,460 the 70s and 80s and so this has always 183 00:07:03,010 --> 00:07:00,230 been going on it's just the latest one 184 00:07:04,750 --> 00:07:03,020 you know then the Air Force or the 185 00:07:06,490 --> 00:07:04,760 military has definitely been lying all 186 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:06,500 this time about having groups but it 187 00:07:09,940 --> 00:07:08,450 seems like there's more evidence the 188 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:09,950 groups have always been there we just 189 00:07:12,940 --> 00:07:11,450 get lucky and find out about them and 190 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:12,950 this was probably a mistake let's 191 00:07:19,390 --> 00:07:15,890 release but it's not new it's been going 192 00:07:21,310 --> 00:07:19,400 on for a long time and you know it's a 193 00:07:23,830 --> 00:07:21,320 lot of misdirection involved in that but 194 00:07:26,380 --> 00:07:23,840 I think that all the evidence is there 195 00:07:29,140 --> 00:07:26,390 that there's always been an ongoing UFO 196 00:07:30,430 --> 00:07:29,150 program they consider it very important 197 00:07:32,590 --> 00:07:30,440 information because it would be if 198 00:07:33,970 --> 00:07:32,600 you're if you have objects coming into 199 00:07:36,130 --> 00:07:33,980 our airspace that we can't do anything 200 00:07:39,070 --> 00:07:36,140 about that's National Defense important 201 00:07:42,190 --> 00:07:39,080 so now did you get sort of last night 202 00:07:44,170 --> 00:07:42,200 when Lewis Elizondo talk the one thing I 203 00:07:47,430 --> 00:07:44,180 heard someone say that was a takeaway 204 00:07:51,850 --> 00:07:47,440 from that is that it wasn't actually him 205 00:07:54,660 --> 00:07:51,860 releasing these these videos it's like 206 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:54,670 yeah above him he said it was cleared 207 00:07:58,330 --> 00:07:56,930 but you know when I when I saw that 208 00:08:00,910 --> 00:07:58,340 whole release and there's this D 209 00:08:02,290 --> 00:08:00,920 back-channel release and then he said it 210 00:08:04,810 --> 00:08:02,300 was clear last night there's a lot of 211 00:08:06,670 --> 00:08:04,820 bad information about this it first of 212 00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:06,680 all was released in a terrible way you 213 00:08:11,170 --> 00:08:09,110 know they showed the video that didn't 214 00:08:11,910 --> 00:08:11,180 match up to the audio you had audio from 215 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:11,920 one 216 00:08:15,660 --> 00:08:14,050 encounter matched to a different video 217 00:08:17,490 --> 00:08:15,670 so when it first came out they were 218 00:08:18,930 --> 00:08:17,500 talking about something else than what 219 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:18,940 you were seeing so that was confusing 220 00:08:26,220 --> 00:08:23,020 but I just don't think that this kind of 221 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:26,230 data would get leaked I think it was 222 00:08:30,180 --> 00:08:28,090 authorized I think it maybe was released 223 00:08:31,740 --> 00:08:30,190 and not the way they intended but I he 224 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:31,750 said it was authorized last night so I 225 00:08:36,150 --> 00:08:33,970 didn't take that away from it I'll let 226 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:36,160 you can you can take this question Tony 227 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:38,290 yeah one of the questions I was going to 228 00:08:43,620 --> 00:08:41,230 ask Louis tonight on a one-on-one 229 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:43,630 situation he had to leave for an 230 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:46,270 emergency or situation so unfortunately 231 00:08:49,980 --> 00:08:47,170 he's not here anymore 232 00:08:51,810 --> 00:08:49,990 I did get a chance to talk to him but 233 00:08:54,390 --> 00:08:51,820 not about this and the question I was 234 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:54,400 gonna ask him tonight is if this was 235 00:08:58,230 --> 00:08:55,980 released why now 236 00:09:00,810 --> 00:08:58,240 right that's I've been asking the same 237 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:00,820 question myself and you know I believe 238 00:09:04,350 --> 00:09:03,010 it was a Richard Bex worth that asked 239 00:09:05,550 --> 00:09:04,360 the first question he said hey look the 240 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:05,560 information released we've known about 241 00:09:09,180 --> 00:09:07,690 it for years you know why should we 242 00:09:10,830 --> 00:09:09,190 believe anything you know more that they 243 00:09:12,450 --> 00:09:10,840 that you're releasing why now it doesn't 244 00:09:14,730 --> 00:09:12,460 make any sense and now even I've been 245 00:09:16,110 --> 00:09:14,740 thinking the same thing like none of 246 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:16,120 this information is news to us we've 247 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:17,920 seen Muhtar footage like Nellis for 248 00:09:21,690 --> 00:09:20,290 example you know we've seen lots and 249 00:09:24,690 --> 00:09:21,700 lots of footage that's much more 250 00:09:26,750 --> 00:09:24,700 compelling than what was released and 251 00:09:29,490 --> 00:09:26,760 that again like Ben said it was approved 252 00:09:32,010 --> 00:09:29,500 the government's not going to screw up 253 00:09:34,860 --> 00:09:32,020 that much you know I'm our to the point 254 00:09:36,590 --> 00:09:34,870 where oh look big news release smoking 255 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:36,600 gun that's not going to happen that 256 00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:38,530 would that would mean that our 257 00:09:43,110 --> 00:09:41,110 government is really not the government 258 00:09:45,390 --> 00:09:43,120 we think it is and capable of protecting 259 00:09:46,950 --> 00:09:45,400 us and holding on to the secrets you 260 00:09:49,170 --> 00:09:46,960 know it just doesn't make any sense to 261 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:49,180 me at all and what I thinks might what I 262 00:09:53,010 --> 00:09:51,100 think is gonna happen like with Tom 263 00:09:55,290 --> 00:09:53,020 DeLonge sorry not to be too long on the 264 00:09:57,450 --> 00:09:55,300 answer but I believe that it's going to 265 00:09:59,070 --> 00:09:57,460 come around and you're gonna find out 266 00:10:00,960 --> 00:09:59,080 that a lot of this news release whether 267 00:10:02,430 --> 00:10:00,970 Tom DeLonge turns out to be a fraud and 268 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:02,440 a phony and just driving us down the 269 00:10:07,590 --> 00:10:05,680 wrong path or the Louisa lizand all of a 270 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:07,600 sudden has now been discredited for 271 00:10:11,220 --> 00:10:08,770 whatever reason what's going to happen 272 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:11,230 is that the largest UFO organizations 273 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:13,090 going to look silly you know and I feel 274 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:14,170 like we're putting a little bit too much 275 00:10:22,770 --> 00:10:20,120 you want to follow up with any of that 276 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:22,780 yeah you know this could all be another 277 00:10:27,780 --> 00:10:26,170 show dog and pony show you know it's put 278 00:10:29,310 --> 00:10:27,790 a little bit out there pull it back see 279 00:10:32,220 --> 00:10:29,320 what happens see what direction it takes 280 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:32,230 people in maybe pull you off the main 281 00:10:37,590 --> 00:10:34,810 path down the road that's distracting I 282 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:37,600 just don't think that first of all the 283 00:10:42,540 --> 00:10:40,240 footage it was it was released was this 284 00:10:44,850 --> 00:10:42,550 infrared footage that really doesn't 285 00:10:47,340 --> 00:10:44,860 give you a lot of data as opposed to you 286 00:10:50,490 --> 00:10:47,350 know if we'd had a press release so 287 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:50,500 widespread about daytime anomalous 288 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:53,250 footage with plasma and you know 289 00:10:56,730 --> 00:10:55,450 distortion the atmosphere around it I'd 290 00:10:58,230 --> 00:10:56,740 be much more impressed with that and 291 00:11:00,470 --> 00:10:58,240 I've seen that kind of footage as 292 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:00,480 opposed to an infrared not much data 293 00:11:03,660 --> 00:11:02,650 some clouds and background but you don't 294 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:03,670 really get a sense of the environment 295 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:05,800 and how fast anything's moving you just 296 00:11:09,390 --> 00:11:07,150 you know have this gun camera footage 297 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:09,400 what looks like it's from 30 years ago 298 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:11,850 I'm sure they I'm sure they have better 299 00:11:16,380 --> 00:11:14,650 better cameras than that but filming and 300 00:11:18,060 --> 00:11:16,390 infrared doesn't give you anything but 301 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:18,070 hot and cold you know it doesn't give 302 00:11:21,990 --> 00:11:20,290 you a lot of data so the fact that that 303 00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:22,000 was released it looks weird and all but 304 00:11:26,310 --> 00:11:24,160 it's not really that anomalous there's 305 00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:26,320 nothing anomalous in those footage you 306 00:11:28,740 --> 00:11:27,280 know that thing that turns sideways 307 00:11:30,780 --> 00:11:28,750 could be on the ground for all I know 308 00:11:32,940 --> 00:11:30,790 not saying it is I'm just saying that 309 00:11:34,140 --> 00:11:32,950 that that's not great footage it's just 310 00:11:36,030 --> 00:11:34,150 because of the bells and whistles 311 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:36,040 surrounding it the way it was releasing 312 00:11:40,290 --> 00:11:38,290 from the Pentagon so it must be you know 313 00:11:42,710 --> 00:11:40,300 that's just a dog and pony show with it 314 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:42,720 do you do you think that they have I 315 00:11:49,020 --> 00:11:46,060 mean I think they have really good 316 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:49,030 footage that they're not they've had it 317 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:50,410 for a long time they had gun camera 318 00:11:54,390 --> 00:11:51,850 footage from World War two they've had 319 00:11:55,830 --> 00:11:54,400 it in Vietnam and and you know all the 320 00:11:58,350 --> 00:11:55,840 wars have footage that they haven't show 321 00:11:58,860 --> 00:11:58,360 this the s the the International Space 322 00:12:00,630 --> 00:11:58,870 Station 323 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:00,640 picks up things all right well I mean 324 00:12:07,260 --> 00:12:04,090 let me just pose this thing if if it's a 325 00:12:10,410 --> 00:12:07,270 case where they're doing some type of 326 00:12:12,510 --> 00:12:10,420 disclosure in their own way and I hate 327 00:12:14,220 --> 00:12:12,520 to even use that term but if they're 328 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:14,230 doing some type of disclosure 329 00:12:19,020 --> 00:12:17,010 why wouldn't they give us the best stuff 330 00:12:20,220 --> 00:12:19,030 why would they hold back and give 331 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:20,230 something like you mentioned that's a 332 00:12:30,630 --> 00:12:28,510 little because I think they want to dip 333 00:12:32,010 --> 00:12:30,640 their toe in they want to see by 334 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:32,020 releasing a little bit how does the 335 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:34,510 public respond do it do religions fall 336 00:12:38,190 --> 00:12:36,490 apart ooh people start you know cats and 337 00:12:40,110 --> 00:12:38,200 dogs start sleeping with each other who 338 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:40,120 knows right if none of that comes to 339 00:12:42,870 --> 00:12:41,530 fruition they're like okay let's try it 340 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:42,880 on a little piece and see what happens 341 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:44,710 to eventually with the part the footage 342 00:12:49,470 --> 00:12:47,290 I want to see is the White Sands alleged 343 00:12:51,810 --> 00:12:49,480 landing where the figures get out there 344 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:51,820 videotape we warden Cooper told us it 345 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:54,010 was videotaped I want to see that yeah 346 00:12:57,780 --> 00:12:55,570 and I want to see the original footage 347 00:13:06,600 --> 00:12:57,790 of the the beam that strikes the nuclear 348 00:13:09,570 --> 00:13:06,610 warhead you know since he was taken 349 00:13:11,940 --> 00:13:09,580 actually yeah there's just like just 350 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:11,950 like with Braden Berg and the things he 351 00:13:14,670 --> 00:13:13,270 was talking about there's much better 352 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:14,680 footage they're holding on to the good 353 00:13:19,380 --> 00:13:15,850 stuff 354 00:13:20,850 --> 00:13:19,390 is film by citizens not the military 355 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:20,860 we've never gotten great footage from 356 00:13:25,110 --> 00:13:22,930 the military but sometimes citizens like 357 00:13:27,060 --> 00:13:25,120 ray Stanford our buddy and people like 358 00:13:28,950 --> 00:13:27,070 that get really good footage of 359 00:13:30,750 --> 00:13:28,960 something the mistake a lot of people 360 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:30,760 may because if she could developed or 361 00:13:34,890 --> 00:13:32,770 you tell somebody or you take it to any 362 00:13:37,410 --> 00:13:34,900 type of military installation it's gonna 363 00:13:40,290 --> 00:13:37,420 disappear I remember there was a movie 364 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:40,300 on the other night about UFOs was called 365 00:13:45,420 --> 00:13:43,120 UFO and they were talking about the Utah 366 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:45,430 and the Montana footage and at that time 367 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:48,880 in the movie which is v late 50s and 368 00:13:54,060 --> 00:13:51,490 this footage was from the early 50s or 369 00:13:55,980 --> 00:13:54,070 60s and they would just show a second of 370 00:13:57,810 --> 00:13:55,990 it because it still classified so it 371 00:14:00,150 --> 00:13:57,820 took a long time for us to see the full 372 00:14:01,890 --> 00:14:00,160 like 40 seconds of that footage it's 373 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:01,900 pretty compelling but it was funny that 374 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:03,610 even yeah you know when they made this 375 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:05,230 movie you got a second of it they go 376 00:14:08,490 --> 00:14:06,490 that's it that's the whole film was in 377 00:14:10,580 --> 00:14:08,500 the second law like it can't be true and 378 00:14:14,070 --> 00:14:10,590 it's not true but it just shows you that 379 00:14:16,170 --> 00:14:14,080 it's like if every great thinker said 380 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:16,180 those that control the media control 381 00:14:20,510 --> 00:14:17,700 what your reality 382 00:14:26,180 --> 00:14:20,520 yeah they control what you're gonna see 383 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:26,190 in here you know I've I've been told by 384 00:14:30,890 --> 00:14:28,800 someone that actually I'll just save 385 00:14:33,170 --> 00:14:30,900 Ralph Blumenthal that was one thing he 386 00:14:35,630 --> 00:14:33,180 was a co-author of the article that came 387 00:14:37,790 --> 00:14:35,640 home December 16 he says there's more 388 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:37,800 there's more coming but and just be 389 00:14:44,210 --> 00:14:41,130 patient now I don't know how he knows or 390 00:14:46,430 --> 00:14:44,220 who's telling him what but it sounds 391 00:14:50,290 --> 00:14:46,440 interesting but maybe you're right Tony 392 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:50,300 maybe they are dipping their toe in 393 00:14:54,530 --> 00:14:52,890 right I mean in how about that one woman 394 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:54,540 who said will be discover life on Mars 395 00:14:58,100 --> 00:14:56,010 within the next 10 years and now we're 396 00:14:59,630 --> 00:14:58,110 getting a release of you know the the 397 00:15:01,700 --> 00:14:59,640 water and the lake and underneath it's 398 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:01,710 like they knew they already knew they 399 00:15:04,430 --> 00:15:03,210 know for the next 20 years what they're 400 00:15:05,570 --> 00:15:04,440 gonna release they're already it's 401 00:15:07,430 --> 00:15:05,580 already been planned out like a 402 00:15:09,620 --> 00:15:07,440 storyboard you know and then they 403 00:15:12,500 --> 00:15:09,630 probably have some some logic like if 404 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:12,510 then you know if the public responds 405 00:15:17,180 --> 00:15:15,210 this way then we go this way I think you 406 00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:17,190 know I think it's very possibly gonna 407 00:15:24,650 --> 00:15:22,800 find fossil right I mean according to 408 00:15:35,780 --> 00:15:24,660 Hogan there's baby shoes and baby 409 00:15:37,220 --> 00:15:35,790 bottles and that this whole I think 410 00:15:38,750 --> 00:15:37,230 they're about to say something that's 411 00:15:41,180 --> 00:15:38,760 the same tale we've been getting for 412 00:15:43,510 --> 00:15:41,190 years and years and years 50 60 years so 413 00:15:46,070 --> 00:15:43,520 I don't buy that for one second I think 414 00:15:48,020 --> 00:15:46,080 disclosure will not happen voluntarily 415 00:15:51,740 --> 00:15:48,030 that's it'll be released on vine 416 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:51,750 Fonterra and if a major country like 417 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:55,230 China or Russia or Japan says look we 418 00:15:59,450 --> 00:15:57,120 know about this we're gonna release it 419 00:16:01,670 --> 00:15:59,460 and then show you real evidence then 420 00:16:03,230 --> 00:16:01,680 that might force other hands but it's 421 00:16:03,980 --> 00:16:03,240 gonna happen through citizens I don't 422 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:03,990 think it's gonna happen through the 423 00:16:10,730 --> 00:16:06,330 government yeah I've heard that argument 424 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:10,740 and I agree that it's very possible that 425 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:13,770 like you know it seems like the Phoenix 426 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:15,210 lights would have been enough doesn't it 427 00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:17,310 almost like something like that where 428 00:16:22,250 --> 00:16:20,160 there was such a mass sighting but still 429 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:22,260 those were still lights in the sky you 430 00:16:25,690 --> 00:16:23,970 know structure craft landing on the 431 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:25,700 ground as a whole 432 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:29,510 mention yeah in China well yeah I mean 433 00:16:33,610 --> 00:16:31,970 James Fox was mentioning that's gonna be 434 00:16:35,830 --> 00:16:33,620 in his movie that there was 300 people 435 00:16:37,660 --> 00:16:35,840 that witnessed the landed UFO with beans 436 00:16:39,550 --> 00:16:37,670 and China kind of like the aerial event 437 00:16:41,470 --> 00:16:39,560 and so that's the kind of event that 438 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:41,480 will shake up especially but it happens 439 00:16:45,310 --> 00:16:43,850 now because in the 80s when that 440 00:16:46,420 --> 00:16:45,320 happened or the seventies people didn't 441 00:16:47,980 --> 00:16:46,430 have cameras now everybody's got a 442 00:16:50,290 --> 00:16:47,990 camera so somebody could catch one of 443 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:50,300 these things and eventually somebody's 444 00:16:53,890 --> 00:16:51,770 gonna have footage that just looks too 445 00:16:55,930 --> 00:16:53,900 good to be true and it's gonna be true 446 00:17:03,790 --> 00:16:55,940 that's not gonna be CGI or anything like 447 00:17:06,190 --> 00:17:03,800 that that's you know that's our goal and 448 00:17:08,590 --> 00:17:06,200 we want to capture it why not as 449 00:17:09,910 --> 00:17:08,600 investigators capture ourselves so we 450 00:17:11,230 --> 00:17:09,920 don't have to spend the first part of 451 00:17:13,450 --> 00:17:11,240 our investigation figuring out 452 00:17:16,300 --> 00:17:13,460 somebody's trying to hoax us we'd get 453 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:16,310 the data ourselves we skip that step 454 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:17,690 because we're not gonna hoax it 455 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:19,130 ourselves and that would be the way to 456 00:17:22,330 --> 00:17:20,810 you know if we could find something 457 00:17:24,610 --> 00:17:22,340 that's nominalist like people have done 458 00:17:25,690 --> 00:17:24,620 in the past and bring that to the public 459 00:17:27,190 --> 00:17:25,700 where we don't have to figure out if 460 00:17:29,290 --> 00:17:27,200 somebody's trying to fool us with CGI 461 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:29,300 that saves a lot of the investigative 462 00:17:32,110 --> 00:17:30,530 work because the first thing you have to 463 00:17:35,410 --> 00:17:32,120 do is figure out somebody's making 464 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:35,420 things up great are you to you to 465 00:17:40,420 --> 00:17:37,610 actually do investigations right is 466 00:17:42,490 --> 00:17:40,430 there anything exciting or interesting 467 00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:42,500 you can talk about I do work together 468 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:47,120 when those sometimes we don't if it's a 469 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:49,370 fits a compelling case we'll grab two 470 00:17:53,140 --> 00:17:51,650 three four guys and we'll get out there 471 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:53,150 we can cover more ground while one 472 00:17:56,890 --> 00:17:55,130 person interviews the witness if someone 473 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:56,900 else can be collecting soil samples or 474 00:18:00,250 --> 00:17:58,330 what-have-you flying a drone 475 00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:00,260 photographing whatever gets done much 476 00:18:05,530 --> 00:18:02,240 quicker and for sure and you have 477 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:05,540 anything you can any case in the past 478 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:08,170 those really interesting 479 00:18:15,340 --> 00:18:11,600 nothing really excited and exciting has 480 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:15,350 happened lately not compared to Socorro 481 00:18:19,030 --> 00:18:16,910 for example which is what we compare 482 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:19,040 everything to now because that being not 483 00:18:22,510 --> 00:18:21,290 to go off on that tangent but you know 484 00:18:25,330 --> 00:18:22,520 you talk about having all the elements 485 00:18:27,550 --> 00:18:25,340 you know multiple witnesses tangible 486 00:18:29,950 --> 00:18:27,560 evidence you know things that have been 487 00:18:32,020 --> 00:18:29,960 tested in the lab and it's a case it 488 00:18:34,810 --> 00:18:32,030 keeps giving us more information every 489 00:18:36,530 --> 00:18:34,820 year as people come for is more things 490 00:18:39,290 --> 00:18:36,540 are analyzed and thing 491 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:39,300 it's just amazing that's that that's the 492 00:18:45,260 --> 00:18:43,200 case I would want every day if it was to 493 00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:45,270 have worked on that quite a bit with Ray 494 00:18:50,660 --> 00:18:47,400 and then you've done work on your own 495 00:18:52,940 --> 00:18:50,670 yes sir been anything that you've been 496 00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:52,950 able to bring to Ray that you know hey 497 00:18:56,750 --> 00:18:54,840 ray this is something we didn't know 498 00:18:58,940 --> 00:18:56,760 about or anything I think we tried that 499 00:19:01,370 --> 00:18:58,950 and we it was shot down 500 00:19:03,290 --> 00:19:01,380 it was the burning in flames yeah it was 501 00:19:06,020 --> 00:19:03,300 it's not that nothing we were trying to 502 00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:06,030 find you know but we're just we were 503 00:19:09,260 --> 00:19:07,500 just you know here's what it is when we 504 00:19:10,340 --> 00:19:09,270 when we went out there and you know ray 505 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:10,350 will tell you that there's nothing more 506 00:19:13,730 --> 00:19:11,730 than investigated I've already done all 507 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:13,740 the work he has he done done a wonderful 508 00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:16,530 job but the one thing that we felt we 509 00:19:19,580 --> 00:19:18,360 could do is talk to those people that 510 00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:19,590 maybe he didn't get a chance to talk to 511 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:21,150 you like Paul hard and you know he's 512 00:19:24,260 --> 00:19:23,130 been Lonnie's best friend and a lot of 513 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:24,270 people that were really close to Lonnie 514 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:28,230 who loved him and you know felt that he 515 00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:30,780 was telling the truth for more than one 516 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:32,460 or two or three reasons he was a really 517 00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:35,310 really good guy and they had stories to 518 00:19:38,690 --> 00:19:36,870 tell and I thought you know whether it's 519 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:38,700 true or not let's document what they 520 00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:41,760 have to say and you know we just thought 521 00:19:45,530 --> 00:19:43,080 we'd share that with Ray he didn't like 522 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:45,540 it yeah I mean I had a long conversation 523 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:49,250 with Ray about the fact that because how 524 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:51,450 completely Lonnie was affected and 525 00:19:55,340 --> 00:19:53,730 changed his life you know there seemed 526 00:19:58,820 --> 00:19:55,350 to be something missing from the story 527 00:20:01,160 --> 00:19:58,830 that shocked him so badly and even gray 528 00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:01,170 when I was talking I say ray he I got 529 00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:02,640 the feeling he got a lot closer to the 530 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:04,710 creatures and couldn't identify them as 531 00:20:11,050 --> 00:20:08,010 non-human and when I talked to Ray about 532 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:11,060 it so yeah yeah you know but now since 533 00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:13,590 James foxes maybe uncovered something 534 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:15,840 that verifies that there was maybe a 535 00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,450 closer encounter ray doesn't want to 536 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:20,400 hear that and so it can be a 537 00:20:24,260 --> 00:20:22,770 confabulated story or just a different 538 00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,270 memory from time because we're talking 539 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:26,880 about 64 but we heard that through three 540 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:29,370 different sources that he is what is 541 00:20:33,230 --> 00:20:31,530 Ray's hesitation in that in particular 542 00:20:36,110 --> 00:20:33,240 he thinks his confabulation he thinks 543 00:20:37,790 --> 00:20:36,120 over time you're inventing these extra 544 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:37,800 parts of the event and that could be 545 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:39,810 true Murray well B it could be true but 546 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:42,930 the thing was that I always always felt 547 00:20:47,210 --> 00:20:45,090 like because Paul Harden said Lonnie 548 00:20:49,289 --> 00:20:47,220 knew when to start and stop the story 549 00:20:51,899 --> 00:20:49,299 and when it came to the beans he 550 00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:51,909 he would it was a pretty detailed story 551 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:53,919 but by the time it got to the public and 552 00:20:57,239 --> 00:20:55,690 the army to talk to him it was these 553 00:21:00,930 --> 00:20:57,249 white things and coveralls very 554 00:21:02,190 --> 00:21:00,940 nondescript no details I think it became 555 00:21:03,659 --> 00:21:02,200 that because there were a lot more 556 00:21:05,009 --> 00:21:03,669 details or the things that bothered him 557 00:21:07,019 --> 00:21:05,019 so bad that he spent three hours with 558 00:21:08,340 --> 00:21:07,029 his preacher that night and that he 559 00:21:09,779 --> 00:21:08,350 thought he'd seen the devil and that he 560 00:21:11,970 --> 00:21:09,789 was never the same that his life was 561 00:21:14,129 --> 00:21:11,980 never the same after that so for that to 562 00:21:15,629 --> 00:21:14,139 have happened I think he got to the 563 00:21:17,159 --> 00:21:15,639 point where he thought he was helping 564 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:17,169 some students in a crash car or 565 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:19,450 something and then saw they were about 566 00:21:24,210 --> 00:21:21,970 four feet tall and maybe had suits on 567 00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,220 and then realized that he was dealing 568 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:26,080 with something that you know it'd be 569 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:27,609 like if he never believed in ghosts and 570 00:21:31,289 --> 00:21:29,049 you got your house was haunted that 571 00:21:34,649 --> 00:21:31,299 would yeah I mean can you just picture 572 00:21:37,229 --> 00:21:34,659 this can you picture UFO never being on 573 00:21:39,180 --> 00:21:37,239 your mind and then coming across 574 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:39,190 something like that your brain is gonna 575 00:21:43,019 --> 00:21:40,809 try to put together what it's seeing 576 00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,029 right it's gonna like try to fit it in a 577 00:21:47,070 --> 00:21:45,039 box right and then it's not gonna fit 578 00:21:50,129 --> 00:21:47,080 and then you know it's just like 579 00:21:53,009 --> 00:21:50,139 speaking with Selma citic this afternoon 580 00:21:58,049 --> 00:21:53,019 about the aerial school owner she had no 581 00:22:00,509 --> 00:21:58,059 idea what our UFO was right you know so 582 00:22:02,099 --> 00:22:00,519 she had no idea what this object was and 583 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:02,109 with these this being that didn't look 584 00:22:05,970 --> 00:22:03,970 like a real person you know what it was 585 00:22:07,769 --> 00:22:05,980 and they're the best witnesses that no 586 00:22:09,269 --> 00:22:07,779 preconceived notion whatsoever don't 587 00:22:12,239 --> 00:22:09,279 even know anything about the subject and 588 00:22:14,489 --> 00:22:12,249 most people didn't in 64 but you know it 589 00:22:17,249 --> 00:22:14,499 I think it's a very similar analogy that 590 00:22:18,899 --> 00:22:17,259 you saw something that's so shocked you 591 00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,909 and made you realize that hey the 592 00:22:22,499 --> 00:22:20,559 world's not like I believe that like I 593 00:22:23,849 --> 00:22:22,509 grew up to believe it to be yeah and 594 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:23,859 that's hard to accept that you know your 595 00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:25,450 ality becomes a whole different reality 596 00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:26,950 and that's what we're all seeking you 597 00:22:32,099 --> 00:22:29,590 know are we alone and if we most of us 598 00:22:34,379 --> 00:22:32,109 no we're not I didn't know but I think 599 00:22:35,580 --> 00:22:34,389 if it became a reality that's what the 600 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:35,590 government's still worried about it's 601 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:37,210 the Brookings Institute report where 602 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:39,129 they said look you find things on the 603 00:22:42,580 --> 00:22:40,490 other side of the Moon or on 604 00:22:44,830 --> 00:22:42,590 moons of Saturn or whatever you can't 605 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:44,840 tell people because orson welles 606 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:47,450 broadcast flipped everybody out in 38 607 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:49,010 when they had the War of the Worlds on 608 00:22:52,150 --> 00:22:50,330 the radio people were not shot their 609 00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:52,160 neighbors and and they all they 610 00:22:55,419 --> 00:22:53,600 reference that and the Brooklyn report 611 00:22:57,580 --> 00:22:55,429 as a reason why you can't talk about it 612 00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,590 and we're beyond that now Star Trek and 613 00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:59,360 everything got us past that you know I 614 00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:00,559 always think about this the other day 615 00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,350 may be totally wrong but I'm thinking 616 00:23:07,210 --> 00:23:05,360 that if all of a sudden we knew a 617 00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:07,220 hundred percent for sure that other 618 00:23:11,910 --> 00:23:10,100 intelligent life lived elsewhere I don't 619 00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:11,920 think it's gonna change our world then I 620 00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:14,270 mean I think people go back to doing 621 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:16,280 what they're doing after you know 622 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:18,170 there's the shock of it all all right 623 00:23:22,690 --> 00:23:20,710 you know it may be totally wrong in that 624 00:23:29,710 --> 00:23:22,700 well unless they say and they're 625 00:23:31,780 --> 00:23:29,720 abducting people and the whole new nail 626 00:23:35,770 --> 00:23:31,790 in your window shut and which wouldn't 627 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:35,780 help if you know we go through all the 628 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:37,850 recent article only saw it that where 629 00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,770 they talked about the known galaxy 630 00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:41,360 having like however many billions of 631 00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:43,700 earth-like planets and how outside of 632 00:23:47,860 --> 00:23:46,400 the galaxy some like 56 Tilian 633 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:47,870 earth-like planets 634 00:23:52,660 --> 00:23:49,850 you know probability of life these 635 00:23:55,020 --> 00:23:52,670 numbers are so astronomically high even 636 00:23:57,850 --> 00:23:55,030 if you had just 1% of that to be true 637 00:23:59,980 --> 00:23:57,860 you know the thing of it is it's always 638 00:24:02,530 --> 00:23:59,990 you know to think really deep how does 639 00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:02,540 the very first spark of life happen you 640 00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,520 know I mean that's what's gonna happen 641 00:24:09,610 --> 00:24:06,559 on all these planets 642 00:24:11,260 --> 00:24:09,620 unless there's you know they're seated I 643 00:24:14,290 --> 00:24:11,270 guess it depends how slow or fast you 644 00:24:16,570 --> 00:24:14,300 want intelligent life to life was on 645 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:16,580 Mars and it's on earth to plants in the 646 00:24:21,070 --> 00:24:18,410 solar system and mathematically boom 647 00:24:22,690 --> 00:24:21,080 it's everywhere and incredibly tenacious 648 00:24:25,390 --> 00:24:22,700 soakin vive on all these different 649 00:24:27,250 --> 00:24:25,400 environments so I'm you know just to 650 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:27,260 it's still kind of a testament to our 651 00:24:31,299 --> 00:24:29,210 species that were so stupid to believe 652 00:24:33,370 --> 00:24:31,309 that you know we're the pinnacle of life 653 00:24:36,910 --> 00:24:33,380 in the universe we're probably the 654 00:24:37,550 --> 00:24:36,920 bottom here comes a question that I 655 00:24:41,150 --> 00:24:37,560 asked 656 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:41,160 when it comes to that if life is so 657 00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:43,530 abundant and intelligent life is so 658 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:46,830 abundant then why are we so special that 659 00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:48,570 we're being visited if we are being 660 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:51,720 visited by intelligent life I think that 661 00:24:56,590 --> 00:24:53,730 it was the testing of the atom bomb that 662 00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:56,600 woke things up you know which is why 663 00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:59,820 yeah I really it's almost just and they 664 00:25:04,550 --> 00:25:01,620 knew that you know whoever whoever's out 665 00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:04,560 there it's likely an atomic doorbell so 666 00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:06,000 to speak you say the kids found the 667 00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:07,440 match the kids found the match is 668 00:25:10,460 --> 00:25:09,270 exactly right so and you know I'm sure 669 00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:10,470 that they're I mean there is 670 00:25:14,420 --> 00:25:12,360 historically we know there have been 671 00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:14,430 sightings throughout history cave 672 00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:15,990 paintings things like this but the 673 00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:17,400 amount of attention we suddenly got 674 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:19,320 after we ring that doorbell the atomic 675 00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:21,810 doorbell now it's just they just said 676 00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,400 you know what let's go ahead and wake up 677 00:25:28,340 --> 00:25:25,440 the underground lairs we have around the 678 00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:28,350 Earth or the ocean the open of the ocean 679 00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:29,700 resort you know and we'll just send a 680 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:31,320 few people now that was keeping on these 681 00:25:36,650 --> 00:25:35,370 these kids right and so we went out of 682 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:36,660 that yeah it was kind of like Bren 683 00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:38,850 there's a Brandenburg's announced that 684 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:41,340 I'm gonna get that write it anyway 685 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:43,650 the scientist said you know they observe 686 00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:45,450 us with benign 687 00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:47,700 you know in light or entertainment 688 00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:50,580 benign entertainment so I think that say 689 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:52,980 you have say you know about a hundred 690 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:55,170 million inhabited worlds here at 691 00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:56,970 advanced civilization we could be have 692 00:26:00,320 --> 00:25:58,860 this classification it's like and it's 693 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:00,330 interesting to stop and take a look at 694 00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,770 these idiots but you want to move on to 695 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:03,360 that this planet over here or something 696 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:06,210 like that and the other part of it I 697 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:11,970 think is that we're kind of on the out 698 00:26:15,620 --> 00:26:13,650 and outside arm of the Milky Way galaxy 699 00:26:16,910 --> 00:26:15,630 so if you're about to leave the galaxy 700 00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,920 and you know there's an inhabited worlds 701 00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:18,480 here you'll come through this part 702 00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:20,910 you'll charge up maybe using the Sun and 703 00:26:26,540 --> 00:26:23,460 then you're jumping to the next galaxy 704 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:26,550 if you have that capability so you know 705 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:28,770 as large as the universe is if they're 706 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:30,210 actually coming here and know about us 707 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:31,650 and that tells you it's a whole lot of 708 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:33,930 life out there searching because we're 709 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:36,690 one speck and you know this huge amount 710 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:38,570 of space but if there's intelligent life 711 00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:41,970 finding us then man they it's got to be 712 00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:43,380 all over because it wouldn't just be in 713 00:26:45,890 --> 00:26:44,460 this little section of the Milky Way 714 00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:45,900 it's a good point then because if our 715 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:48,870 Sun is a refilling station then earth is 716 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:49,970 the drive-in movie 717 00:26:56,290 --> 00:26:53,930 a commercial one of my favorite I don't 718 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:56,300 know if you're a South Park fan but if 719 00:27:00,610 --> 00:26:58,250 you're if you have you seen canceled 720 00:27:02,830 --> 00:27:00,620 season eight on season eight canceled 721 00:27:05,230 --> 00:27:02,840 because earth is a number one reality TV 722 00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:05,240 show in the galaxy it's freaking 723 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:06,620 hilarious I crack up every time I watch 724 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:08,090 if you haven't seen it watch it you'll 725 00:27:15,070 --> 00:27:12,050 love it yeah hilarious do you think that 726 00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:15,080 if you had to guess do you think that 727 00:27:25,450 --> 00:27:22,520 beings intelligent beings are right yeah 728 00:27:28,030 --> 00:27:25,460 that's a good question I think exactly 729 00:27:30,970 --> 00:27:28,040 that's I think what you see around you 730 00:27:32,650 --> 00:27:30,980 and as many strange forms as we have in 731 00:27:34,510 --> 00:27:32,660 the number of races on this planet 732 00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:34,520 everyone's got two eyes two arms two 733 00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:36,950 legs you know even dogs are as symmetric 734 00:27:40,990 --> 00:27:39,110 you know and very few things I can 735 00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:41,000 imagine that that are growing in a 736 00:27:45,490 --> 00:27:43,160 natural organic state are not going to 737 00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:45,500 be symmetrical you know so I think that 738 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:48,110 aliens are the same a lot of things come 739 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:52,370 into play for us like to say let's see 740 00:28:14,830 --> 00:27:58,210 life right that's right you know 741 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:14,840 carbon-based life-forms if there's it's 742 00:28:19,540 --> 00:28:17,810 like you know if you believe the bible 743 00:28:21,550 --> 00:28:19,550 in god's image that could be a reference 744 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:21,560 to in the image of somebody that's like 745 00:28:26,110 --> 00:28:24,380 us so if there are civilizations that 746 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:26,120 are have two arms two legs and a head 747 00:28:30,790 --> 00:28:28,730 then maybe we're all genetically linked 748 00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:30,800 maybe they have a seating you know they 749 00:28:34,210 --> 00:28:32,360 always referenced a great Star Trek 750 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:34,220 episode with a great secret was that was 751 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:35,930 trying to be found and everybody's 752 00:28:38,770 --> 00:28:37,250 looking for and the Klingons are trying 753 00:28:41,230 --> 00:28:38,780 to get there first and they just get 754 00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:41,240 there after Captain Picard but the great 755 00:28:46,030 --> 00:28:43,670 secret was the civilization goes well we 756 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:46,040 we grew up we started traveling stars 757 00:28:50,410 --> 00:28:48,050 and there was nobody there at all 758 00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:50,420 so we seeded all the planets so whoever 759 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:52,070 you are watching this you're all related 760 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:54,050 and the Klingons were upset to find out 761 00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,610 they're related to humans but that kind 762 00:28:59,290 --> 00:28:57,440 of makes sense from a genetic viewpoint 763 00:29:01,210 --> 00:28:59,300 that that's why y'all are kind of 764 00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:01,220 similar because it started with the same 765 00:29:04,990 --> 00:29:02,000 Organa 766 00:29:07,810 --> 00:29:05,000 compound well I also think we we have no 767 00:29:10,330 --> 00:29:07,820 concept of time that's that's the thing 768 00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,340 that makes things happen and change and 769 00:29:14,650 --> 00:29:12,080 think about you can't even picture what 770 00:29:16,330 --> 00:29:14,660 a million years or a billion years know 771 00:29:18,730 --> 00:29:16,340 when the planets four billion years old 772 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:18,740 you know and we just happen to be here 773 00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:21,290 now I think time is a human construct I 774 00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:22,910 don't think it actually exists I think 775 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:27,440 that what we call time is actually you 776 00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,210 only live in this moment right now but 777 00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:30,880 then the moments gone that's a memory 778 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:33,440 the next one of it is the future that's 779 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:36,530 hope in a dream there's only now that's 780 00:29:40,270 --> 00:29:38,450 it there's no before or after there's 781 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:40,280 only the moment in and we're always in 782 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:42,170 that moment you call that time but 783 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:43,610 that's the way we try to organize our 784 00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:45,050 world use clocks and calendars things 785 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:46,580 like that I don't think there is such a 786 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:48,050 thing as time I think it's a human 787 00:29:53,050 --> 00:29:50,930 construct just just to get a grip on the 788 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:53,060 reality of our world I know way off the 789 00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:55,610 UFO topic but I like I like talking 790 00:30:00,190 --> 00:29:57,710 about time because when I was in high 791 00:30:03,010 --> 00:30:00,200 school I remember a science teacher said 792 00:30:06,550 --> 00:30:03,020 to us are at your project for the night 793 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:06,560 is describe what time is that was our 794 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:08,450 project and it really you know I was 795 00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:09,410 only in high school and I remember 796 00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,230 thinking wow that is really hard it's 797 00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:14,720 one of my favorite favorite movies Back 798 00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:19,600 to the Future some reason some reason 799 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:21,310 all right guys 800 00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:33,870 we run a few TV shows hanging on NASA's 801 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:36,940 unexplained files we were on UFO 802 00:30:40,980 --> 00:30:38,680 conspiracy theory the hunt for the truth 803 00:30:42,750 --> 00:30:40,990 which was amalgamated the footage that 804 00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:42,760 we all did and them you might see us 805 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:44,140 walking down a hallway and ancient 806 00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:47,910 aliens because they you stock footage so 807 00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:50,470 we're working on things we're speaking 808 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:53,140 in Pittsburgh I'm in October had MUFON 809 00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,130 there and we're working on a book to 810 00:31:00,780 --> 00:30:59,440 finish up the Socorro everything we 811 00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:00,790 found about Socorro and some related 812 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:02,260 things to that and how does rate 813 00:31:07,650 --> 00:31:05,290 Stanford feel about that Ray's gonna be 814 00:31:09,210 --> 00:31:07,660 part of it for sure I mean he always 815 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:09,220 says he's gonna write a follow-up to his 816 00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:13,930 book but if we wait on that so all right 817 00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:16,150 now but you know we're it'll be an honor 818 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:19,180 you know just to do something to try to 819 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:21,970 be as good as or half as good as Socorro 820 00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:24,010 sauce on a Pentagon pantry so you know 821 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:26,350 that's that's the goal is just to put a 822 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:27,730 stamp on the story and that's why a lot 823 00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:29,110 of people have come to us and said we're 824 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:31,300 so glad that you're keep talking about 825 00:31:36,270 --> 00:31:33,730 this because the keeps becoming this 826 00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:36,280 maybe hoax type thing which it wasn't 827 00:31:40,350 --> 00:31:38,950 and since we keep talking about it is 828 00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:40,360 one of the top ten cases the United 829 00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:43,030 States ever most evidence and so we try 830 00:31:46,550 --> 00:31:44,800 to get the story straight put it back on 831 00:31:48,810 --> 00:31:46,560 the record this is not a hoax there's 832 00:31:50,820 --> 00:31:48,820 evidence and a real event happen and 833 00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:50,830 show how important was how baffle the 834 00:31:56,790 --> 00:31:52,750 government was I think it's a great idea 835 00:31:58,860 --> 00:31:56,800 because yes that did happen in 1964 the 836 00:32:01,620 --> 00:31:58,870 book was written you know quite a while 837 00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:01,630 ago and it doesn't serve any pressure 70 838 00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:03,070 something yeah yeah it needs a refresher